[18.10.2005 22:01] =-= apachelogger has changed the topic to `` --> roKymotion Meeting <--'' [18.10.2005 22:01] Where We are--- Where we are going [18.10.2005 22:01] The livecd hype is currently dying down... [18.10.2005 22:01] exactly [18.10.2005 22:01] and probably no more big promotion until 1.4 [18.10.2005 22:01] as minor releases don't deserve it IMO [18.10.2005 22:01] i'd say: linux guys know amaroK, other people don't. generally [18.10.2005 22:02] right now we don't have much "real" stuff to do [18.10.2005 22:02] however, this would be a good time to work on a nice article for linux.com [18.10.2005 22:02] -->| tackat666 (n=konversa@p50893BEE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #rokymotion [18.10.2005 22:02] hiho [18.10.2005 22:02] aloha tackat666 [18.10.2005 22:02] shh, we're having a meeting ;) [18.10.2005 22:02] hydrogen: what do you imagine? [18.10.2005 22:02] aloha apachelogger [18.10.2005 22:02] a review of amaroK or an interview of the developers, and a synopsis of amaroK [18.10.2005 22:02] where it is/where it is going/stuff like that [18.10.2005 22:03] we could make usability tests ... to make version 2 more useable than ever before [18.10.2005 22:03] how to do usability tests? [18.10.2005 22:03] I'd still like to bring up the ever-so-talked-about spreadamarok idea, it woud be quite cool, and not too much work.. PostNuke has what we wants, I guess [18.10.2005 22:03] sven423: wathing the videos from novell and get some ideas ;-) [18.10.2005 22:03] postnuke is ugly. [18.10.2005 22:04] just my shameless plug here: Systems fairs will happen during the next week and I'm searching for some people from Germany who want to show off amarok and KDE in Munich :) Anybody volunteering? [18.10.2005 22:04] * apachelogger can't [18.10.2005 22:04] === tackat666 ``Torsten Rahn'' [18.10.2005 22:04] === tackat666: member of #rokymotion, #kde-artists, #amarok.de, #suse, #scribus, #amarok, #koffice, #kde-devel, and #kde-users [18.10.2005 22:04] === tackat666: attached to irc.freenode.net ``http://freenode.net/'' [18.10.2005 22:04] === tackat666 is identified to services [18.10.2005 22:04] --- End of WHOIS information for tackat666. [18.10.2005 22:04] hydrogen: you can skin it... [18.10.2005 22:04] but i think something we can all do is work on is Filling in the tag, and the description tags in amaroK for 1.4 [18.10.2005 22:04] the backend is ugly. [18.10.2005 22:04] Firetech: I think hydrogen is right, it's just ugly [18.10.2005 22:04] tackat666: who are you and in what way are you connected to the Systems? [18.10.2005 22:05] also, working on feedback from amaroK dev's to the community wouldn't be a bad idea [18.10.2005 22:05] sven423: I am KDE's event guy ;) [18.10.2005 22:05] ok, there are better community backends than postnuke... how about mambo? [18.10.2005 22:05] oh, ok ;) [18.10.2005 22:05] sven423: Torsten Rahn [18.10.2005 22:05] * hydrogen is going to setup a "1.4 features page" later [18.10.2005 22:05] Firetech: has been renamed ;-) [18.10.2005 22:05] in wiki [18.10.2005 22:05] hm [18.10.2005 22:05] we need some kind of user backend [18.10.2005 22:05] apachelogger: what? [18.10.2005 22:06] let the users know what we are working on [18.10.2005 22:06] what they can expact, and when [18.10.2005 22:06] so, generally a roadmap? [18.10.2005 22:06] Firetech: the free version has been renamed [18.10.2005 22:06] oh [18.10.2005 22:06] yea [18.10.2005 22:06] sven423: roeadmap is the wrong word imo [18.10.2005 22:06] well, kind of [18.10.2005 22:07] yup [18.10.2005 22:07] we should have had some kind of schedule for this meeting :/ [18.10.2005 22:07] probably [18.10.2005 22:07] should we plan on monthly meetings anyways? [18.10.2005 22:07] why not [18.10.2005 22:07] good idea [18.10.2005 22:07] let's select some kind of order of things, it's all kind of blurry talk right now, and we do that outside the meetings :P [18.10.2005 22:07] okay [18.10.2005 22:07] yeah [18.10.2005 22:08] with 4 people there isn't much need for structure [18.10.2005 22:08] we can let it evolve as we go... and see what we end up with :) [18.10.2005 22:08] what would be _really_ cool [18.10.2005 22:08] and probably impossible [18.10.2005 22:08] is to convince the big computer distributors to offer amaroK live for people who don't buy windows :) [18.10.2005 22:08] dell.. HP.. gateway.. places like that [18.10.2005 22:09] markey and mayself had the idea to start a call for promotion ideas in the public [18.10.2005 22:09] public = ? [18.10.2005 22:09] for the next meeting, we'd need a schedule, let's add some kind of template to the wiki after the meeting [18.10.2005 22:10] people who read news on amarok.kde.org? [18.10.2005 22:10] we already have the wiki page about rokymotion [18.10.2005 22:10] wiki doesn't fit our needings [18.10.2005 22:10] we need a cms or something [18.10.2005 22:10] wiki just becomes a big mess [18.10.2005 22:11] ack [18.10.2005 22:11] apachelogger: ok, one thing settled then :P [18.10.2005 22:11] one step closer to Firetech's idea of spreadamarok :P [18.10.2005 22:11] yay [18.10.2005 22:12] wasn't my idea from the beginning, I'm just pushing it along [18.10.2005 22:12] cms where though.. [18.10.2005 22:12] hydrogen: [18.10.2005 22:12] whoops [18.10.2005 22:12] wrong button [18.10.2005 22:12] rokymotion.kde.org [18.10.2005 22:13] I guess we can have some spare space on a.k.o otherwise [18.10.2005 22:13] finding a hoster in the community shouldn't be a problem at all [18.10.2005 22:13] so doing it like spreadfirefox (build a site, build a community and make them help spread the beast) could be a working concept. if the community is large enough [18.10.2005 22:14] sven423: look at the number of users in #amarok [18.10.2005 22:14] hm, do we need a community for rokymotion? [18.10.2005 22:14] then multiply that with at least 2 [18.10.2005 22:14] there are many, I know [18.10.2005 22:14] has anyone talked to the kde PR people to see if they have any input on how to promote amaroK? [18.10.2005 22:14] apachelogger: we could integrate that into spreadamarok... "roKymotion corner" [18.10.2005 22:15] hydrogen: I'm subscribed to the list, but they are far away from us :/ [18.10.2005 22:15] apachelogger: more advanced you mean? [18.10.2005 22:15] err [18.10.2005 22:15] look at spreadfirefox [18.10.2005 22:15] mozilla.org and spreadfirefox are far away from each other [18.10.2005 22:16] it isn't one community there are two [18.10.2005 22:16] I know [18.10.2005 22:16] which means twice work, and twice interessts [18.10.2005 22:16] mozilla.org is no community... the development is very strange [18.10.2005 22:16] roKymotion isn't driven by the amaroK devs either? [18.10.2005 22:16] kind of is [18.10.2005 22:16] from the non-devs ;-) [18.10.2005 22:17] which don't have to do anything else :P [18.10.2005 22:17] some mozilla devs are spreadfirefox admins, tho [18.10.2005 22:18] well, I'm not talking about the administration [18.10.2005 22:18] asa has written all the visible announcements [18.10.2005 22:18] he's a highly positioned firefox dev [18.10.2005 22:18] afaik [18.10.2005 22:18] the interaction between the moz community and the spreadfirefox community is just bad [18.10.2005 22:19] if there is one :/ [18.10.2005 22:20] peeps are writing wishes to the forums or mail them or come to #amarok and tell us about, and more professional maybe file a whish item at bko [18.10.2005 22:20] anyway, we have a limited userbase, while spreadfirefox have windows users too... [18.10.2005 22:20] so you have always to points [18.10.2005 22:20] Firetech: don't mind about that [18.10.2005 22:20] so, to make this better we would have to integrate "spreadamarok" into a.k.o? [18.10.2005 22:20] it's better to have a little than a fucked-up ;-) [18.10.2005 22:20] sven423: I think so [18.10.2005 22:21] and we shouldn't name it spreadamarok ;-) [18.10.2005 22:21] for Swedish promotional efforts, that is a problem, because we don't have many linux centric magazines or news sites... [18.10.2005 22:21] but we also need a domain, that people can remember.. let spreadamarok.org pint to a.k.o/rokymotion/ or something like this? [18.10.2005 22:21] so where gets the swedish userbase the informations? [18.10.2005 22:21] Firetech: usenet? [18.10.2005 22:22] I don't know [18.10.2005 22:22] we should try to find this out [18.10.2005 22:22] Firetech: where do you get your information from? [18.10.2005 22:22] Most Swedish linux users either know everything or use english media (like /. for example) [18.10.2005 22:23] sven423: My linux guru, and linuxsverige.se (the latter is quite small though... [18.10.2005 22:23] "My linux guru" <---- lol [18.10.2005 22:23] well, /professionals/ probably have more contact to english sites [18.10.2005 22:23] everyone should have his own linux guru ;) [18.10.2005 22:23] so we have to worry about the linux starters [18.10.2005 22:24] I have got an answer about amaroK Live from one of the two linux magazines I know of. They said thanks for the tip, but he wouldn't say anything definite. [18.10.2005 22:24] =-= apachelogger has changed the topic to `` --> roKymotion Meeting <-- http://www.betterdesktop.org/welcome/'' [18.10.2005 22:24] that's another thing [18.10.2005 22:24] we shouldn't write news that promotional [18.10.2005 22:25] like the stub article is still more promotion article than news [18.10.2005 22:25] YA [18.10.2005 22:25] err [18.10.2005 22:25] caps [18.10.2005 22:25] so we would have to write a annoucement for ako and a news for news sites [18.10.2005 22:25] what about simply translating the announcements to other languages? in germany taht worked well for 1.3 Live [18.10.2005 22:26] sven423 done it alone btw ;-) [18.10.2005 22:26] well, I could ask the translators if they are going to do this [18.10.2005 22:26] at least for some languages [18.10.2005 22:27] I can do the Swedish translations, don't bother about reaching asserhal. [18.10.2005 22:27] :P [18.10.2005 22:27] so we try to translate announcements and mail them around? only main releases or minors also? [18.10.2005 22:28] or will we decide with each announcement? [18.10.2005 22:28] really dunno [18.10.2005 22:28] for example golem.de always writes a news [18.10.2005 22:28] also for minor [18.10.2005 22:28] as we have quite interessting features there too [18.10.2005 22:28] one thing we should do [18.10.2005 22:28] we can have announcements on ako and dot (?) [18.10.2005 22:28] is mail the packagers for various distros a day or so before release [18.10.2005 22:28] and let them know its ocming [18.10.2005 22:28] so they can build [18.10.2005 22:29] hm [18.10.2005 22:29] getting the build earlier [18.10.2005 22:29] good idea [18.10.2005 22:29] yeah [18.10.2005 22:29] hydrogen: wouldn't help for kubuntu and debian, they freeze their stuff... [18.10.2005 22:29] is someone collectint the good ideas? [18.10.2005 22:29] Firetech: maybe we can produce our own dpkg? [18.10.2005 22:29] I'm on kubuntu.. It can't be that hard to do.. [18.10.2005 22:30] making the debian dir is tricky, but there are finished ones in debian's SVN [18.10.2005 22:30] I'm on kubuntu too. [18.10.2005 22:31] we could use 3rd party packages (3rd party in the sense that they are not distro official) [18.10.2005 22:31] well [18.10.2005 22:31] autopackage working is still desired [18.10.2005 22:31] btw [18.10.2005 22:31] best shirt ever or what? [18.10.2005 22:31] http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=367 [18.10.2005 22:32] actually install autopackage isn't really easy for n00bs [18.10.2005 22:32] today a suse user asked me how to install a rpm :/ [18.10.2005 22:32] :/ [18.10.2005 22:32] *sven423 trys to copy the "good ideas" to kate so they are not lsot in the log... [18.10.2005 22:33] + cms for promo interaction with users [18.10.2005 22:33] + space on ako or somewhere else [18.10.2005 22:33] + find out where swedish users get their information [18.10.2005 22:33] + ask translators if they would translate news and annoucements [18.10.2005 22:33] + inform packagers of various distros about release one day before [18.10.2005 22:34] ack for all of them [18.10.2005 22:34] + make 1st steps in usability testing (get ideas from betterdesktop.org) [18.10.2005 22:35] apachelogger: where would we get our test subjects? [18.10.2005 22:35] I think rokymotion should become more of a promotion/usability group [18.10.2005 22:35] as they are kind of entwined [18.10.2005 22:35] hydrogen: ya [18.10.2005 22:35] yup [18.10.2005 22:35] there are enough people out there... [18.10.2005 22:35] let's vote :P [18.10.2005 22:35] AYE [18.10.2005 22:35] Firetech: for the usabilty test? [18.10.2005 22:35] no [18.10.2005 22:36] the usability group thingie [18.10.2005 22:36] ::Wiki:: Download has been edited by Firetech. Kubuntu Breezy has 1.3.1, packages.ubuntu.com said 1.2.4 last time I checked, though. http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/Download :: [18.10.2005 22:36] usability tests in more something for the devs... [18.10.2005 22:36] 3 to 1 [18.10.2005 22:36] Firetech: ah, now I got it .... needs to get discussed imo [18.10.2005 22:36] ok [18.10.2005 22:37] *sven423 coud find some usability testers, that would be possible [18.10.2005 22:37] we might split it into two groups [18.10.2005 22:37] err [18.10.2005 22:37] well, I read on the wiki something about amaroK promo movies, that show it in action... what about that? [18.10.2005 22:37] Firetech: why do you think merging is not a good idea? just to get some idea [18.10.2005 22:37] rokymotion.pr and rokymotion.use or something [18.10.2005 22:37] sven423: actually you just have to ask some peeps on the street ;-) [18.10.2005 22:37] hydrogen: ther aren't really the same things, the group might get all blurry [18.10.2005 22:37] sven423: swf is bullshit for this [18.10.2005 22:38] I made a record the other day [18.10.2005 22:38] we definetly need a usability group though. [18.10.2005 22:38] just sux [18.10.2005 22:38] Firetech: well, having usability is a good thing to promote about :P [18.10.2005 22:38] what about discussing the usability thing together with some devs? [18.10.2005 22:38] letz define us as the amarok marketing group [18.10.2005 22:39] then we include usability [18.10.2005 22:39] ;-) [18.10.2005 22:39] hydrogen: yes, but people would need different knowledges for the different stuff [18.10.2005 22:39] fd [18.10.2005 22:39] re markey [18.10.2005 22:39] markey: you're disturbing our meeting :P [18.10.2005 22:39] markey: usability tests? [18.10.2005 22:39] wooops :p [18.10.2005 22:39] we moved the coffe machine to #rokymotion.coffe just for you ;) [18.10.2005 22:39] *coffee [18.10.2005 22:39] ewll [18.10.2005 22:39] hehe [18.10.2005 22:40] well* [18.10.2005 22:40] lenier is already usability person [18.10.2005 22:40] and they are kind of different [18.10.2005 22:40] but most of us could do a good bit for that in PR off season [18.10.2005 22:40] hydrogen: I guess most users already do usability stuff... [18.10.2005 22:40] they complain when they don't understand [18.10.2005 22:41] we should test this before a minor or major release [18.10.2005 22:41] well, complaining and making it clearer are two different things :) [18.10.2005 22:41] lets save this discussionf or after the meeting though [18.10.2005 22:41] as they are separate functions [18.10.2005 22:41] any more promotion like ideas/ [18.10.2005 22:41] ? [18.10.2005 22:41] not yet [18.10.2005 22:42] a talk on linuxtag 2006 maybe? [18.10.2005 22:42] but that is in may [18.10.2005 22:42] in wiesbaden, germany [18.10.2005 22:42] still time [18.10.2005 22:42] I guess Project: spreadamarok is our main idea? [18.10.2005 22:42] yes [18.10.2005 22:42] well [18.10.2005 22:42] getting to linux shows would be good [18.10.2005 22:42] sven423: if I have time I could do one [18.10.2005 22:42] Project because it's only a project name :P [18.10.2005 22:42] you guys got ideas how to get our founddrive going again? [18.10.2005 22:42] it stalled a bit [18.10.2005 22:42] rob a bank/ [18.10.2005 22:43] :P [18.10.2005 22:43] ah yes [18.10.2005 22:43] :p [18.10.2005 22:43] markey: waiting for my bank transfer ;-) [18.10.2005 22:43] already 70 euros :P [18.10.2005 22:43] the thing is... spreading news about needing money is kind of not good [18.10.2005 22:43] IMO [18.10.2005 22:43] HOWEVER [18.10.2005 22:43] nah, nvm [18.10.2005 22:43] markey: turn people upside down in the streets and steal their wallets? [18.10.2005 22:43] I don't think we need to spread this news [18.10.2005 22:43] we just need to get folks to visit ako [18.10.2005 22:44] Trying to think of ways to get amaroK and amaroK live into mainstreem [18.10.2005 22:44] stream* [18.10.2005 22:44] markey: announce a friendly project fork for WamaroK and get it /.'d :) [18.10.2005 22:44] markey: redesigning the site or something would force this [18.10.2005 22:44] bringing amaroK into mainstream means bringing linux into mainstream. hard... [18.10.2005 22:44] markey: why not add a Donate button in amarok itself? [18.10.2005 22:44] right [18.10.2005 22:44] button -> menu item [18.10.2005 22:44] good idea [18.10.2005 22:45] Firetech: cause 1.3.4 will not be out till end of fundraiser :) [18.10.2005 22:45] in the about dialog [18.10.2005 22:45] yes, that's all nice and dandy, but first we want to complete this funddrive :) [18.10.2005 22:45] hydrogen: amaroK always accepts donations anyway [18.10.2005 22:45] "donotate to amarok" "visita marok hompage" and such things... [18.10.2005 22:45] aye [18.10.2005 22:45] markey: will there be 1.3.5? [18.10.2005 22:45] I assume so, but I'm not sure whether we branch before [18.10.2005 22:46] we might branch [18.10.2005 22:46] seems like its a fairly good idea to [18.10.2005 22:46] and really, even splitting after a major release isn't a bad idea if you stick to the mantra of just bug fixes [18.10.2005 22:46] splitting right after* [18.10.2005 22:46] apachelogger, hydrogen, sven423: we are all sure we need some kind of roKymotion CMS kinda ASAP? [18.10.2005 22:47] I don't really see why [18.10.2005 22:47] *sven423 votes for it [18.10.2005 22:47] We are kind of filling the wiki otherwise [18.10.2005 22:47] markey: add a button to donate for 1.3.4 where the users can see it and move it after the funddrive to the about dialog [18.10.2005 22:47] or a timing thing [18.10.2005 22:47] if its not going to hit the public, I can even host it if we can get a useful redirect on domain name [18.10.2005 22:47] if date <1.11. then show button [18.10.2005 22:48] apachelogger: what about people with strange clocks? :P [18.10.2005 22:48] Firetech: we are sure, yes :) [18.10.2005 22:48] Firetech: hm [18.10.2005 22:48] well unimportant [18.10.2005 22:48] most peeps have usual clocks [18.10.2005 22:48] what CMSs' are there out there? [18.10.2005 22:48] drupal :D [18.10.2005 22:48] is a quite smart one imo [18.10.2005 22:49] xoops -> awful [18.10.2005 22:49] we could use a wiki of our own otherwise [18.10.2005 22:49] though I havn't used it really [18.10.2005 22:49] xoops is a bit overloaded for us [18.10.2005 22:49] Firetech: maintaining stuff in a wiki sux imo [18.10.2005 22:49] you can't discuss in a wiki [18.10.2005 22:49] CMS is better than Wiki though... CMS would be easier to transform into spreadamarok [18.10.2005 22:49] the main thing we need is. a way to discuss, imho [18.10.2005 22:49] wiki isn't the worst but also not the best [18.10.2005 22:49] there was nice article today about magnatune, on germany's biggest news site [18.10.2005 22:50] sven423: we have this channel [18.10.2005 22:50] :P [18.10.2005 22:50] with users ;-) [18.10.2005 22:50] so this seems to be a rather hot topic, CC music and all [18.10.2005 22:50] definitely [18.10.2005 22:50] we could ride the wave, and try to reach some big sites again [18.10.2005 22:50] Firetech: I know enough user which wouldn't join irc [18.10.2005 22:50] some kind of forum/CMS combination? [18.10.2005 22:50] then we have spreadamarok beta [18.10.2005 22:51] lol [18.10.2005 22:51] :) [18.10.2005 22:51] right [18.10.2005 22:51] he got hit by the spreadx hype :/ [18.10.2005 22:51] well [18.10.2005 22:51] spreadx! spreadx! spreadx! [18.10.2005 22:51] lol [18.10.2005 22:51] we could use it anyway [18.10.2005 22:52] some lightweight forum (phpBB is a bit too advanced for this maybe?) and drupal? [18.10.2005 22:52] meh [18.10.2005 22:52] imnsho [18.10.2005 22:52] a amarok-promote mailing list [18.10.2005 22:52] and a wiki-like site [18.10.2005 22:52] are all we need [18.10.2005 22:52] that's a start [18.10.2005 22:53] mailing lsit... yeah, why not? [18.10.2005 22:53] markey: can you make us one? [18.10.2005 22:53] okay, that was riddiculous [18.10.2005 22:53] ML? [18.10.2005 22:53] but I know from experience that mailing lists can feel quite developerish to join... [18.10.2005 22:53] a telemarketer definatly just called me and put me on hold [18.10.2005 22:53] markey: yup [18.10.2005 22:53] sure [18.10.2005 22:53] what name? [18.10.2005 22:53] markey: amarok-promo@sf.net [18.10.2005 22:53] alright [18.10.2005 22:54] Firetech: we can use it at least for team internal communication [18.10.2005 22:54] hydrogen: they start calling before they are finished with their former client, and sometimes, they talk too much with them... [18.10.2005 22:54] ya [18.10.2005 22:54] apachelogger: yes [18.10.2005 22:54] Its annoying [18.10.2005 22:54] good because we keep the conversations stored [18.10.2005 22:55] and kmail has treeview: :D [18.10.2005 22:55] Firetech: ask the telemarketing guy what he earns, what skills he needs for the job.. and so on. till he hangs up [18.10.2005 22:55] actually [18.10.2005 22:55] lol [18.10.2005 22:55] btw: what advantages does banshee have over amaroK ? [18.10.2005 22:55] I've heard they are not allowed to hang up [18.10.2005 22:55] are there any? [18.10.2005 22:55] havn't tried it [18.10.2005 22:55] but looks like juk [18.10.2005 22:55] imo [18.10.2005 22:55] just a mix of juk and amarok [18.10.2005 22:55] a friend of mine works with telemarketing, and it's always my father who gets the telemarketing calls... [18.10.2005 22:56] he just says "I'm not interested and hangs up" [18.10.2005 22:56] you better try it ... ximian will promote it heavily really soon [18.10.2005 22:56] wrong quoting [18.10.2005 22:56] I'm not gonna try it :P [18.10.2005 22:56] tackat666: thx for the hint [18.10.2005 22:56] * apachelogger fires up yast [18.10.2005 22:57] sp, what else? we are getting off topic... [18.10.2005 22:57] banshee is for gnome for one [18.10.2005 22:57] :) [18.10.2005 22:57] it's mono [18.10.2005 22:58] so novell doesn't see it as a gnome app [18.10.2005 22:58] and novell will promot it with SL [18.10.2005 22:58] they already started with 10.0 [18.10.2005 22:59] it supports gst and helix [18.10.2005 22:59] it seems like amaroG [18.10.2005 22:59] lol [18.10.2005 23:00] amarok-promo created. gonna take a bit until it becomes active [18.10.2005 23:00] okay [18.10.2005 23:00] thx [18.10.2005 23:01] so that's why you guys have to make sure that amarok will always be better wrt any detail over banshee :) [18.10.2005 23:01] well [18.10.2005 23:01] just looking at it [18.10.2005 23:01] I don't think there is much to worry about yet :) [18.10.2005 23:01] lots of peeps are using amaroK on gnome [18.10.2005 23:01] if they can get the same stuff with a gnome app they'll use it [18.10.2005 23:02] hydrogen: don't underestimate them :) [18.10.2005 23:02] apachelogger: let's invent a new revolutionary feature with cryptic Qt dode so banshee can't copy it ;) [18.10.2005 23:02] *code [18.10.2005 23:03] hehe :D [18.10.2005 23:03] yeah! [18.10.2005 23:03] ARR!!! [18.10.2005 23:03] http://banshee-project.org/index.php/Getting_Started [18.10.2005 23:03] haha lol [18.10.2005 23:03] opensuse 10 [18.10.2005 23:04] that's like saying novell 3 :P [18.10.2005 23:05] haha [18.10.2005 23:05] the feature request page is basically everything amaroK has [18.10.2005 23:05] http://banshee-project.org/index.php/FeatureRequest [18.10.2005 23:05] so, who will ask the translators for translating announcements? /me can do the german ones, Firetech the swedish? [18.10.2005 23:06] and how can we inform packagers before the release? [18.10.2005 23:07] I'll ask on the translator's list when I notify them about the stats for 1.3.4 [18.10.2005 23:07] and when will the next meeting be? [18.10.2005 23:07]